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The Sauromats are forefathers of the Serbo-Croats

Thursday 22 June 2006, by J. MOFRAD

Milan Hustich proves with the help of hundreds of Aryan words included in the Croatian languages that the Croats derive their origin from Aryan (Indo-Iranian) tribes. They are the forefathers of the Serbo-Croats. This can be concluded from Milan Hustich thesis which Tadeusz Sulimirski (the auther of the book of the sarmats) also confirms.

Milan Hustich proves with the help of hundreds of Aryan words included in the Croatian languages that the Croats derive their origin from Aryan (Indo-Iranian) tribes. They are the forefathers of the Serbo-Croats. This can be concluded from Milan Hustich thesis which Tadeusz Sulimirski (the auther of the book of the sarmats) also confirms. The second language of the Sauromats was Skythian, an indo-iranian language. We know that the Sauromats had lived between two Aryan tribes; one in the east and one in the west and that their language and culture had been influenced from them. Herodotos proves that the ancient home district of the Sauromats (Sarmats) was situated between the rivers Don and Volga. West from these lived the Skythian (the Skolot). They were ruled by an Indo-Iranian tribe. The name of Skythian mythical king was Kolaxais: the first part of his name, i.e kola is an Aryan word meaning family, and the second part of this name, i.e xais is an Iranian word meaning king. The name of the Skythian (Slovons’ forefathers, Skolo-t) means bowl in the ancient Indo-German language but originally the word skolo (bowl) comes from Skythian and Persian. Their subdued peple war Slavic tribes which their name derives from the royal Skythian’s own name, i.e. Skolot (Skolo-t): Suffixen “t” is marking the plural form in Skythian, and the name Skyth is a Greek word meaning bowl, the Sun’s symbol.

To the east of the Sauromts lived a Slavic tribe whose wives were equal to men. They were called Issedones (= Jazics; “the people of the bowmen”, Serbs’ forefathers). They altered the skulls of their children. This tradition was also carried out by the Alans and Sauromts. Furthermore the Sauromts society was matirarchical as was the Issedons. That is why Plinius the older was of the opinion that the Serbs were an Alanian tribe like their neighbours to the east. A big mistake in historyography that struck the Sauromats were considered being a Slavic people and closely related to the Iranians. The problem occured when ancient Iranians considered themselves being closely related to the Sauromats. The Avesta (the old holy book of the Iranians) pays tribute to the Sauromats calling them Sairima (“free’mens”, or “the royal rulers”). The Rman writers Plinius and Diodrus have written that”Iranians say that the Sauromats are related to us”. The Sirak (the royal ruling Sarmats”) is their other Iranian/skythian name.

According to Herodotus the native tounge of the Saromats was Amazonian, a language which differed so widely from Skythian that they could not understand each other. But Sauromts had access to their second and international language Skythian, though their dialect was poor depending on their Amazon mothers failed in teaching the feather language (Skytian) in a acceptable way. We know that Sauromats moved to the Balkan Peninsula and to Poland during 300-150 B.C. Here they were called Sarmatians, Jazigs and Ixamatians (“those with metallic helmets”.

The etymological evidences listed below show us that Serbo-Croats are descendants of Sauromts/ Issedons:

  1. The word Sauromat (the variety sau-roh-imati) means in Slavic languages “people who are dressed in armour. The letter prt of the variety of this word mean ring-mail or scaly armour in Sanskrit and Skythian. The name Sauromt has originally belonged to the Croats; that their name meaning “dressed in armour” in Latin.
  2. Their Iranian, i.e. Sairima means in Medic-Skythian “the people of all suitors”, which is synonym to the Skythian name of Sauromats, i.e. Catiars.
  3. The mythical name of Amazon also means ”people that are completly dressed in armour and scaly armour”. The name Amazon has been common for the Sauromats with the exeption of the Issedons (the bowmen). They have been forefathers of the Croats; i.e. Sauromats.
  4. The name of the Serbs in the variety Sarb (=Sarva) means in the Skythian and Sanskrit “all whole and free people”). The Skyths also called Serocroats (Sauromts/ Issedons) Catiars, which has the same meaning as Serb and Croat in the ancient Iranian: The Skythic languages belonged to Iranian language groups though the vocabulary is closer to Sanskrit. The Serb has been another name for Issedons (Jazics).
  5. The name of the Croats (Hrovat) means the people of the Suitors and free’men in the anciant Iranian languages and it means “those that dressed in armour” in Latin. This is also applicable to the Amazons (“those dressed in armour”) which have been the synonymous name of the leading group of the Sauromats (Sirika which means the royal leaders in the ancient Iranian languages). The Name Jazic means bowmen in the Hungarian, which has been synonymous to Issedon, i.e the forefathers of the Serbs. Antayian Sarmats have been the forefathers to the Bosnians: The words being synonymous meaning “those by the side living Sarmatian people”. We know the Sauromats (which means the possessors of swords in the Old Persian) with their Long swords and scaly armour have been the ancient Chevaliers (Katafrakts). It is a remarkable the name Hrovat (Crovat) in the Avesta is synonymous with Serb in Sanskrit meaning the people of the suitors.

11 Forum messages

  • No they are not.
    Forefathers of Croats and Serbs as a "UNITY" is the genetic marker l1b*.

    see the EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!
    http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publicatio...
    http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/DN...

    30% Of the overall population of Croats and Serbs and nearly 50% of the Bosnien Population are clearly marked with this marker.

    The heritage of the name of the Croats and the Serbs can not be clearly located.
    There are different Versions for that.

    People claiming Clear(!!!!) Ayran "ROOTS" for the heritage of Serbs and Croats are mostly ignoring scientific facts.
    They are mostly Nationalists and sometimes even Rascists.
    Even respected Croatian Historians like Nada Klaic(died 1988) stepped finally BACK(!!!!!) from this Ayran Theory concering the heritage of the Croats.
    I dont know Mr. Hustich but what i am sure about is that he can proof with this "Ayran words" that there is a connection to IndoEuropean/Indogermanic Languages as the Slavic Language Croats and Serbs speak today is based on that, like nearly every Language in Europe except the basque language.

    greets

    Marijan

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    • The Sauromats are forefathers of the Serbo-Croats 25 February 2007 20:50, by Flo

      A very interesting page ! I’m not a specialist like you, but I’m greatly interested in such issues. I’m a student in first year of Master in Greek archaeology in the University Paris 1 (Sorbonne), under the direction of Mr. Roland Etienne.
      My Master dissertation will be about "Iranian" nomads in the times of archaical, classical and hellenistic Greece. I still have no more narrow topic, as I got my topic rather late and am still reading general books about that.
      So I really feel interested in your discussion, all the more so as I have absolutely no national or racial vested interest in it (I’m French, with Norman, Spanish, Italian and Maltese origins). Maybe you could tell me more ? or advise me some specialized books ?
      Thank you a lot for taking some time to read me :) good luck in your research and in your quest for your identity ! Good bye, and hear from you maybe !
      Florent.

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      • Unfortunately all these discussions are pretty wild: it is simply clear that all historical Slavian nations are in deed almost a 1:1 mix of ancient Slavonic and Iranic tribes. Just panturkic milieus are destroying all evidences with effectfully propaganda. It is a secondary matter which tribes grew up together to what nation! I think that Serbs and Croats developped from different Iranic tribes intermixing with Slavian people already dwelling in that area since the VI century AD.

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    • i just want to know the meaning of the word "ayran" i cannot find the right meaning of it please help.

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    • The Sauromats are forefathers of the Serbo-Croats 5 December 2009 18:51, by BoB

      Dear Mirijan,
      Your name is interesting. What does it mean and where are you from?

      Putting a refernce from a study group that reached the conclusion that they wanted is not going to help me, who is looking for answers.
      I am not an expert in Geneology. so when you put an article without pointing to its specifics in simple language that I can understand, such as here is why and because of this data, so on and so forth, it is not going to help me at all to understand what you are trying to prove. I doubt anyone else changed their mind because of what you posted.
      So try again.

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  • The Sauromats are forefathers of the Serbo-Croats 3 December 2009 08:14, by BoB

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scytho...

    Looking at the map in the middle of the page of the above link you can see that "Sarmatia" is located in the upper left hand corner of the caspian sea.

    Saramatia or as I like to call them Sar-Marzi-ha, are the people living on the Sar = top or edge of the border = marz.

    Since they were called the people in armor, my assumption is that they had to be blacksmiths for those days.
    Sarmatia => smatia => Smith=> black Smith.
    (in pronounciation some words may be dropped to make speech easier, specially if you are teaching your eastern Iranian language to the Europeans)

    People who did iron work were around coal and fire most of the time, thus I believe black was added as an adjective to smith. I am not sure if there was other kinds of smiths, who did not work with fire and soot did not make them black.

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    • The Sauromats are forefathers of the Serbo-Croats 29 September 2011 21:54, by Sarm

      Nice try BoB, but you are, of course, wrong. Sarmatians are in some way or another forefathers of Slavs. If you compare their history, customs and traces of old persian and sanskrit languages in slavic languages, you will find the answer.
      A tip: look for more maps and you will find that they move westward towards Poland, leaving some tribes in Ukraine and, last but not least, some tribes might go as far as Croatia and Serbia.

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  • The Sauromats are forefathers of the Serbo-Croats 29 September 2011 22:13, by Sarm

    The truth is one: Sarmatians are, in one way or another, forefathers of Slavs. NOT only Croatians and Serbs, but also Poles, Ukrainians, Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenians, Rusyns, Lusitians, Belorusyns and Russians.

    Be it they have mixed with proto-Balto-Slavs, making offsprings called later Slavs, against Balts. Be it they are straight forefathers of some cast of free Slavs over non-free people (their war hostages, prisoners of war). Be it they have just mixed with existing proto-Slavs leaving some Slavs with freedom-written-in-blood in them.

    It just matter of looking on maps (more than few best known), ancient texts (not just few popular), Slavic language connections with Sanskrit and Old Persian (many common roots, not just IE), oral tradition (eg. women position), customs (eg. similar fests to iranian), belives (eg. similar gods to iranian) and latest DNA tests (R1a1) to be more convinced that they are our (ie. Slavs) ancestors.

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